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Old 24th Dec 2015, 07:33
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Gnadenburg
 
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Dan

Nobody here is deriding what you label military style handling.

Flight Safety Foundation was quite measured 20 years ago when it stated that some civilian training is grossly lacking for upset scenarios and there were also genuine concerns that the upset recovery ethos of ex-fighter pilots dominating US management and training positions were excessive with rudder usage on commercial jets.

I'd like to see the UART syllabus with consideration to who's teaching it and their own experience in jet aircraft. Have a chat with your juniors with simple nose high, nose low scenarios, complications with bank and underslung engines, unloading etc. And topically, approach to stall, stall and deep stall and I'd be surprised if you were not concerned.

Air Forces have had many crashes and close calls with jet upsets in airliner type aircraft so there may be a false confidence of some ex-mil pilots in their own exposure and understanding of the topic. Especially in light of modern FBW aircraft with their behavior and limitations in extreme upsets with flight control law reconfigurations and protections, ambiguous systems failures and presentations issues.

So yes, we could all do with the training. It has been severely lacking in HKG and limited to those few paragraphs somewhere or perhaps watching the stby AH re-twirl and eventually re-centre upon a on ground reset.
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