Had the opportunity in the early eighties of performing full stalls in a TriStar (with a former Lockheed production test pilot in the RH seat). These were done about ten miles west of Jeddah from nine thousand feet, both clean and approach configurations. Must say that the handling was impecable, not a hint of wing drop...unless a bootful of rudder was applied of course. As a line/training pilot, never had the opportunity of doing this, was an interesting experience. Don't think I would want to do these maneuvers every day however....don't much care for the very high angles reached. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Eek!]" src="eek.gif" /> . .Gives a new meaning of "blue side up"....way up!. . . . <small>[ 28 March 2002, 14:36: Message edited by: 411A ]</small>