Robert, the VC10 had such a powerful stick push system, the idea was to totally prevent a stall completely. I do not believe it ever stalled. I was involved with testing the stick push system on a test flight- it was a frightening experience-the AofA hovered around 15, then jumped to 17. I think if it went any higher you were dead. The stick push system operated with much fanfare- one of my awful moments of aviation- I was petrified and not happy at experiencing this! The B727 and DC9 were just as much at risk, but benefited from the experience of the 1-11 and Trident. In fact, I believe at least one 727-100 was lost pulling out of steep descents when it got into a high drag situation. It got a reputation as being 'difficult' under such circumstances. I'm not sure how much at fault was the slow response from idle of the early jet engines on it.. . . . <small>[ 27 March 2002, 21:58: Message edited by: Notso Fantastic ]</small>