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Old 3rd Oct 2000, 13:24
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Another version:

ATC: "Descent 5000'

and later

ATC: "Follow the ABC 1 D arrival, report established on the localizer"

Are you still restricted to 5000 feet, if there is no mention of altitude (other than minim obstacle clearence) on the STAR ?

If you are not restricted to 5000', is it then because the altitude restriction wasn't repeated in the subsequent ATC call ?

Would it make a difference if the ATC terminology differs like this:

a) "Cleared the ABC 1 D arrival ..."

b) "Follow the ABC 1 D arrival ..."

c) "Expect the ABC 1 D arrival ..."

and so on - One thing is if pilots opinion differ, but how about ATC - it is like some of them expect you to descent (by yourself) with minimum altitudes stated on the STAR, so even if they gave you an altitude restriction earlier on ?

I'd still say that "cleared approach" and "cleared (a STAR)" is NOT the same - cleared approach let's you descent, UNLESS, it is accompanied with a "stop descent at ...".

Let's get this straight, references to the appropriate documents would be informative !