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Old 27th Nov 2015, 07:22
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I have seen many photos of plane crashes with the engines heavily damaged, but have I don't remember seeing any with a broken fwd fan shaft. Usually what is seen is the main fan disk still attached and heavy damage on all the fan blades.
Check out the Comet crash investigation of G-ALYP. If I remember correctly, at least one turbine separated from the shaft. It was confirmed by testing that this can be atributed to gyroscopic loads if the wing pitching moment turns the engines quickly nose-down when the tail is no longer preventing this.
So for me after loss of the tail, separation of the fan and the engines look plausible.
I can not think of any engine failure scenario that separates the fan but leaves the fan blades widely undamaged.

P.S. found a report link here :
http://www.oocities.org/capecanavera...3/comgalyp.htm
(b) Investigation by the de Havilland Engine Company Limited

80. The R.A.E. investigation did not deal with the engines. The history of their recovery and investigation is as follows.

81. The centre section of the wing of Yoke Peter was recovered from the sea on the 15th March. It was severely damaged by fire and by impact with the water. It contained the four Ghost engines substantially intact with the exception that the turbine disc of No. 2 engine (port inner) was missing. The shaft on which it had been mounted had broken near the hub to which it was bolted and it had escaped through a large gash in the exhaust cone. The disc has not been recovered.

82. The engines were removed and examined superficially by an engineer from de Havillands Engine Company Limited. They were then sent by air to that company's works where they arrived on the 21st March and were dismantled and examined in detail.

83. Dr. Moult, Chief Engineer of the de Havilland Engine Company Limited, said in evidence that there were no signs consistent with seizure of any engine, or of any excessive internal heat, or of any failure having occurred before the break-up of the aircraft. The extensive fire damage was all external to the engines. The four compressor impellers were intact on their shafts.

84. The turbine discs from Nos. 1, 3 and 4 engines showed no signs of failure. No blades were missing from them. In No. 2 engine, there was no evidence of penetration of the shroud ring surrounding the turbine, either by a blade or by the complete disc. There was no evidence of failure of any blade in any of the engines.

85. Examination of the hubs to which the turbine discs of Nos. 1, 3 and 4 engines were bolted showed that all were on the point of failing. Cracks were found in the same regions as those which had resulted in the fracture of No. 2 engine, which led to the loss of the disc.

86. The remarkable similarity of the damage to the turbine shafts of all four engines pointed to a common cause external to the engines, and further examination showed that the most probable cause was a sudden and very rapid rotation of the whole wing about a transverse axis, nose downwards, while the engines were still running normally. Such a rotation, being about an axis at right angles to the engine shafts, would produce gyroscopic couples tending to bend the shafts in a sideways direction, that is, in the plane of the wing. Since the clearances between the discs and the stationary parts surrounding them are small, signs of rubbing would be expected in definite regions. Examination showed such signs in each engine.

87. From this evidence the conclusion was reached that the engines had run, though only for a short time, possibly a few hundred revolutions after a sudden nose-down rotation of the wing and had not stopped suddenly. Further examination showed other evidence consistent with this, namely the absence of any deformation in the splines on the turbine shafts. This also suggested that by the time the whole of the centre section, including the engines, hit the surface of the sea, the engines were no lancer rotating.

88. The whole of the remaining extensive damage to the engines was considered to be due to impact with the surface of the sea. It was in the main confined to the upper parts of the engines, and was therefore consistent with the deductions from the examination of the centre section of the wing itself, which showed everywhere evidence of the wing having hit the sea upside down.

89. In order to investigate the conditions which were now thought to have caused the failure of the turbine hubs, tests were made on a Ghost engine supported in a framework which was pivoted about a horizontal axis some distance above the engine, so that it could swing in a vertical plane, like a pendulum. The engine was run at normal speed, and was pulled sideways, thus raising it from its lowest position. When released, it accelerated under the combined influence of its weight and the thrust from the jet. The rate of rotation round the transverse axis could be varied by releasing it from different heights. It was found that when this reached a value of nearly 180° a second (corresponding to the centre section of the wing turning upside down in about one second) the turbine disc hub broke and the engine slowed down and stopped without any further substantial damage. Examination showed the same type of failure and symptoms, as were found on the four engines of Yoke Peter.

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