Artic Circle: with your operator do you employ "cadets" ( ie. Pilots with only the basic licence and not the full ATPL) and if so, how do those pilots achieve the hours requirement for the issue of an ATPL? Or, is the ATPL only obtained whilst on the command course much in the manner that Sabena used to do. This caused all sorts of grief for the ex Sabena, highly experienced copilots who came out to Hong Kong because they did not hold an "equivalent" licence.