100% agree with betpump5. Well written and worth a second read IMO.
If you disagree with anything he wrote, I might go so far as to label you naive.
For those of you on Yammer, I strongly suggest you cease and desist. The notion of labour groups discussing industrial and other matters on a Company forum with middle management is beyond ridiculous. Do you think your colleagues at other airlines in Europe, Antipodia, or North America yammer on Company forums in place of their elected representation? Only in Hong Kong would you witness such absurdity from Western pilots. I can hardly believe how retarded we are. So pathetic. WAKE UP!!!