TK1:
while i do respect your point of views and congratulate in you in aleast trying to understand the yabanci mentality and having said this let me pose the other side of the equations to you...
I think u guys ve really opportunity working as a pilot in this company as a foreigner.I'm a turkish and no european companies are givin me that kinda opportunity right now.I can give you an example,if i wanna work for LX,LH,AF or x company in europe,First condition will be like you must hold eu citizenship so that means i will be directly eliminated.As a result even if i know everything,it means that i will not work for lufthansa right?But whole you guys who live in europe ve this opportunity and working for our flag carrier company.
i might be mistaken but this is one of the slef centred views i have come across more so in my 9 Years in Turkish Aviation than any other country or carrier i have flown for... Yes we should be fortunate that THY was hiring during the GFD years but this is by no mean a opportunity to expect a expat to have a meanor to be lucky to have a job and shut up..
some of the remarks here exhibit high levels of imaginations and equal amounts of bull$#it never the less its a median where by people can convey their views openly.. Your seem to be upset by looking at the issue from your perspective as a LOCAL and not an expat..
I have spent 10 years in this country and i like it as it suits my lifestyle and as a single person i am not bound to any responsibilities other than my expensive tastes Unlike the majority of expats in THY who have families and expenses pegged on currencies such as the USD and Euro... so to give an example with regard to pilot vs teacher salaries is meaningless... it would not matter if pilots where earning 100,000 Lira /Mth if the value of it was on par with the Zimbabwe Dollar.. lets face it the majority of expats here have families loans and hobbies etc that are either in USD or EURO.. next time you go to purchase a car in turkey you would know the feeling unless your content of driving the localk TOFAS or Murat cars. better yet try taking a 30% salary cut and im sure you would be singing in the same quire as these gentalman.
Now when you say look at these airlines and give exmples...IT IS IMPORTANT TO COMPARE A APPLE TO APPLES and not Something ELSE... You look at these leagcy carriers they have all PLANED their growth and made changes to the operation foundation to accommodate the growth LH, LXetc wil not go an order 300 airframes without first studying the needs. THY ont he other hand works the other way around Order first and find a solutions as the problem arises.. this is a typical business model with any rap[id expansion... The other note is THEY have the LUXURY to stipulate their requirements and they HAVE plenty of feeders to there workforce.. Just compare G.A scene in Turkey and Germany... In Germany you have ample amounts a flight training organisations you have a very busy charter and regional network which provide the cycle of human resources, military and not to mention LH very completive cadet program... where as in turkey You have a handful (3-4) of "suitably qualified" flight schools, limited military feeder and virtually NO G.A... so it comes to supply and demand ... when there is a Abundant supply you can ask for a citizen with PHD and be fluent in 5 langues if you like but at the end of the day THY has the demand but VERY LIMITED SUPPLY...
Thirdly have u ever made a research how many foreign pilot works for lufthansa i mean non german or the same thing for BA or AF as well and compare all the figures with TK.I'm sure that u will see the difference after u searched or For example do you know that TK wants a university degree from turkish pilots but not from foreigners...Just get much more info guys..If ur aim is really being a part of aviation here is the chance. U can use it.
regardless please read the previous comments....
With all due respects and i dont mean to offend you but a degree is worth as much as the paper it is printed on.. The degree will only teach you a discipline not a skill.. a skill is developed over time with experience and having the right mentality to learn. when i say this i know the education system here in Turkey i even done the equivalency for MY DEGREE from a RESPECTED university. This degree nonsense was put in place because of the Turkish educational systems shortcomings not not because it made one a better aviator or manager... nor does memorising answers to quesations make you more inteligent either
Before making a criticize think twice and consider what kinda opportunities u have.l
i understand you dont like or you have reservations from foreigners but if your really love and respect THY refrain from such comments as this will not help your cause or THY.. at the end of the THY need expats (for the time being) at a resource and professional level. you have the opportunity to learn and vast amount of information from skilled aviators/manages who have specialised experiences that you may lack.. rather than shutting the door on improvement and just saying shut up and be thankful.. discuses your issues in an objective manor... ITS CALLED constructive criticism... there is a saying .. the safety and health of an organisation is not judged by its success it but of constructive criticism that takes place prior.
may be look at it from the other perspective if you didnt have expats would THY continue to grow as much..it could be that were are aiding in employing more locals crew that you think??
as for the language barrier we understand English is not your native language nor is most of Europe Asia or Latin America.. there are problems from each region and bound to be questionable level 6 certificates having g said this from a PROFESSIONAL standpoint and a SAFETY one as well.. we are professionals and THE common Language in Aviation is English. There as some that can communicated at a very good level of English and some lets say confuse them selves when they just say hello... nevertheless it wouldn't matter if your Chuck Yeager and know how to fly with sniper skills if you don't understand whats going on around you... its the fundamentals of S.A CRM Derision Making
H.T may be of Turkish Origin but he was Raised in Australia until his mid 20's mate ....his whole mentality and way of thinking exhibited more Aussie -western traits when he first came thus His native language is English and Not Turkish.. rule of primacy you can cover a cake with fondon and icing but at the end of the day the cake is whats inside .. btw the FO was educated in USA
my advice if you want to know or figure out all this hype here... come with an open mind and sit down with a few of us over a beer and talk... simple as that...
(my apologies for the spelling and grammar after a long day i couldnt find the tenacity to proof read the above )
