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Old 7th Jul 2015, 15:54
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KenV
 
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-Dramatic overstatement. NOTHING (anyone ought to know what capitals mean) beats the F-35 in A2G. Countering such screaming hyperbole factually takes time and effort.
You haven't read the reports of the recent (June 2015) Green Flag exercises, have you? Neither SAMs nor fighters sent to shoot down the F-35 beat it. So yes, NOTHING.

- The "appeal to authority" fallacy. "I would assume the folks... are smart enough".
You really should look up the definition of "appeal to authority fallacy". You totally misused/misapplied it.

Sure, these smart folks gave LockMart a contract for an airplane they couldn't build, for a budget they couldn't meet, on a schedule that was a joke.
Hmmmm, "hyperbole" much? What has Lockmart actually produced? Does this product meet the current design/performance specs? Yes, you say? So are you now suggesting that the "smart folks" you (trollishly) deride are actually so dumb as to provide "defective" specifications? And you have data (and not just trollish opinion) to back that up?

As you point out, "stellar" A2G? No HDTV sensor, no Rover, no moving-target weapon... Even in 3F.
And yet the F-35 beat the SAMs and the fighters sent up against it in the recent (June 2015) Green Flag exercises, and was the only aircraft able to do so. Or are you perhaps suggesting that the folks who design and run Green Flag are not "smart folks" and/or purposely rigged the exercise to enable the F-35 to beat all comers?

And oh yes!! "No HDTV sensor"? Really? You're right, but only because the F-35 has six! Google AN/AAQ-37 Distributed Aperture System. If Googling is problematic for you, try this link:
AN/AAQ-37 Distributed Aperture System (DAS) for the F-35

And no Rover? Really? You're right, but only because the F-35 has a far more capable, more jam resistant, with far lower probability of intercept datalink than Rover.

And no "moving-target weapon"? Really? This time you're trollishly wrong because UK F-35s includes Brimstone integration and all F-35's include AGM-154C JSOW integration. Or are you trollishly claiming Brimstone and JSOW cannot hit a moving target? If so that's a fault of the weapon, not the platform that launches it.

Let's be real. The guy is here to derail the discussion, for whatever reason.
Let's be real? Real like your false (one might be tempted to call them trollish) assertions above? I see. And ignoring the outcome of actual recent real-world exercises while making a list of stuff you (and apparently only you) personally think are missing from and should be included in the F-35 does not "derail the discussion?" Really? I remind you that this discussion is about air-to-air maneuverability, and no one (well except perhaps a troll) remotely doubts that F-35 has multiple air-to-air "moving target weapons" and an exceptional datalink (much better even than the one in the F-22). Perhaps you should look up the definition of hypocrisy before using the "troll" epithet.

And on the subject of definitions of logical fallacies: look up "ad hominem fallacy". Then "be real" and explain to us how your post does not fit that definition. Is ad hominem trollish behavior? Hmmmmm?

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