I couldn't comment on their quality, having never flown with either of them before, but they left the force some 5 years or so ago, and a lot has changed within the jet since then, not beyond the wit of man to catch up though. The point is they haven't really solved anything and seem to be doing square root of cock all about securing the necessary crews till the end. I assume that they believe all the remaining navs will simply stag on 'til the death of the jet and then accept the lack of available cockpits/jobs for them beyond...Still we can't be sure nav won't be getting FRI's ' i'd rather put pilots in the back' not my words, the words of CAS! Im not paraphrasing either, i was there he said it.