CALLSIGNKILO displaying his customary hot-headedness. None of us were there but read the thread starter again and note that this is "RUMOURS and NEWS". All entitled to comment upon the rumour. I too have flown with people who know it all. I really DID "love" it as I managed to learn valuable lessons and never found it necessary to describe them with facetious use of hidden profanity. FACT is that the aircraft has been written off. RUMOUR is that it was because a denial of off track request led the Commander to stay on track & hit the ice-berg. All has produced lively debate which is the beauty of these forums.