Rodney Rude..... you are him/her? as you stated this is a "professional pilots." forum or used to be. You think a flight attendant should be making comments on a professional pilots forum the same way I don't make comments on how to serve coffee/tea on a hostie forum. Tinda I don't know you but i'm on your side on this we have refullers and hosties on this forum like Rodney Rude telling the world about shooting a ILS in the soup 100 above mins as a spectator waiting to refuel me and at best telling us why it should or could be done better ....go figure! Well done Tinda !