Are you're now reversing on your statement that you are only cleared to the initial altitude constraint until ATC clear you further? Incidentally, that would completely negate the need for SID altitude constraints.
Please describe the difference between a SID cleared altitude, and an SID altitude constraint.
I'm more than happy to accept that there is regulation stating you can't set the SID altitude, but must set the intermediary altitude constraints, as being the definitive regulation if you can link to an official source document. Thank you.
Originally Posted by piratepete
If your CLEARANCE LIMIT IS SAY 16000 feet/FL then you of course you may follow the SID steps, AS CLEARED, but you cannot put the CLEARANCE LIMIT/FINAL HARD ALTITUDE in the MCP as some are suggesting before you set off.Try doing that AND SAYING THAT at most major airports around the planet and get back to me how you get on, Pete.
As per CAP417, you report the intermediary altitude constraint in your initial call to APP. It is clearly stated in 3.25. So, I'm in complete agreement. But this has no bearing on how you manage your aircraft systems. This is purely radiotelephony.
Originally Posted by piratepete
you cannot put the CLEARANCE LIMIT/FINAL HARD ALTITUDE in the MCP
This is exactly what we're looking for - obviously there is a regulation?
Originally Posted by piratepete
you are only cleared to the INITIAL HARD ALTITUDE until ATC says otherwise
This clearance would normally be: "Cleared XXXXX Departure; stop climb Altitude XXXX" THis was not the stated clearance.
Look, just for clarification, maybe it's worth re-reading my opening post. We're not discussing whether intermediary altitude constraints on a SID are applicable; they are unless ATC cancel them via whatever radiotelephony mechanism is applicable. We're discussing how the aircraft automation is managed, and if there is regulation.
Perhaps réponses should be along the format of "My Company SOP is X, Y, Z." Or, "Applicable regulation is available here." With a hyperlink. It would certainly prevent thread creep.