FBN-Let me see Qantas Group profit 2008 $1.4 Billion 208 aircraft/Qantas Group loss 2014 $2.8 Billion with 303 aircraft and revenue has declined from $15.627 Billion in 2008 to $15.352 Billion with a 45% increase in fleet. Maybe Mr Joyce(Bernie Madoff of aviation) has grown the wrong entity! Houston we have a problem!