If QF were are private company yes entirely true the T & C s are absolutely none of anyone's business.
But you are a public company, with public shareholders so they are entitle to know pretty much everything about wages from the cleaner to CEO.
Moreover your company tries to fleabag on the Australian taxpayer to the tune of $3 billion, & will likely try to get back on the public tit so your wages & conditions are of interest to every taxpayer.
Someone said you had a dozen each of 380s, 744s, and 330s for your international fleet - pretty much what you had 30 years ago really, so you have remained static while the market has grown 600%.
Look at the scale of the widebody fleets at SIA & Cathay , how much they have grown , and the number of aircraft they have on order. Both airlines serve 10 to 12 European cities , you guys are reduced to what is it - a daily flight to London.
Do you think you might have a bit of a problem ?
ACMS as you seem to like direct comparisons how is this one
Ten CX Second Officers: 1 million ; Ten QF A380 Second Officers : 2.5 million
It's a bit more than as you would say "Sweet F____ All" , such eloquent & sophisticated language you have.
I would say pretty much all of the LH crew are overpaid by $100K, in terms of any reasonable comparison. The SOs taking home $280K on the 380 , just ridiculous & greed beyond words.
Earning what a mid 30s senior associate in legal/accounting/principal engineer - all who studied for 4 plus years full time , would earn , on the back of a 12 month vocational level course at Flight training Adelaide.
That is why your international business mathematically just cannot make a profit.
The T & C s are of interest because your employer consistently attempts to parasite on the taxpayer & because they are the prime reason you are failing
Do a very basic analysis of a Cathay V Qantas HK/Aust return flight, on a wages basis the Cathay guys would be paying somewhere between $20K to $40K less per flight in wages for that service. Same for SIA - you are getting murdered on wages costs per service to the tune of $30K for every service.
That is why you can't make money & why you don't have any orders for new 787s, 777s, A350s when SIA & Cathay have dozens of such orders.
No money in the bank to pay for the new planes, the company wants to by new fuel efficient aircraft but can't do so because flight/cabin crew are
paid 50% to 250% (A 380 Second Officers) more than their skill set can reasonably justify
Where do guys reckon you will be in 30 years from now , still at 1985 levels you reckon ?
Last edited by Flyboat North; 16th Jun 2015 at 06:02.