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Feeder services flying into LHR onto the new shorter runway
Both proposals relating to LHR under consideration by the Davies Commission concern a full-length intercontinental-capable runway.
I really do not understand why people from all over the country are so set against it.
This is because the publicly-funded portion of the associated works is put at between £8Bn and £20Bn according to which source you believe. London and the SE have enjoyed a conveyor belt of multi-billion pound mega-projects dedicated to upgrading its infrastructure over recent years. The regions still patiently await their first ONE billion pound publicly-funded infrastructure project. There are unfunded priority projects around the country which offer FAR greater value to UK PLC than spending another £8Bn+ of public money in London to boost LHR throughput by just 50%. That money cannot be allocated twice. The regions deserve their turn.
People don't want to drive and park at MAN when they could just get a taxi to their nearest regional and a quick shuttle flight down to LHR.
Seriously? Are you aware of the geographical distances between the main centres of population in the North? Have you seen typical taxi-fares? BTW, MAG has just built another 9,000 space car park rather close to my place. It is full. It seems that many people do want to drive and park at MAN. For those who don't, MAN offers excellent rail, tram, coach and bus links.
The case for R3 is irrefutable
Not when you see the proposed price-tag.
The Gatwick issue is a separate one
The provision of runway capacity to serve the needs of the SE is the issue. LGW is an integral part of this debate.
A new runway at LHR will mean expansion is no longer needed at any other south east airport for the foreseeable future. What else needs to be said?
What needs to be said is that this statement is absurd. Do you expect zero growth in London-originating demand for air travel over the next 20 years? Are you aware that LGW operates the single busiest air transport runway in the world right now?
By making LHR an easy gateway to the rest of the UK you enable foreign investment in the outlying regions
LHR is the antithesis of an easy gateway and a third runway will make it more complicated still. The best way to encourage foreign investment into the regions is to upgrade their own transport infrastructure. That £8Bn+ of public money earmarked for supporting the LHR project would be a great start. And we'd like some of the Crossrail 2 money as well, please.
It is not just about enabling the people of Yorkshire to get easier access to the world but allowing the world easier access to Yorkshire, surely you see that?
This is actually best achieved by building upon the portfolio of existing long-haul services offered by UAE, QTR, ETD, PIA, SIA, CPA, MSR, VIR, TCX, TOM, AAL, DAL, UAL, ACA, TSC, SVA & IAW from Manchester, plus UAE & UAL from NCL. The excellent portfolio of short-haul services available from LBA itself as well as from surrounding airports really help too. Surely you see that?
Shed, firstly, where did you get £40bn from?
This is the figure quoted by 'Transport for London'.
The cost is said to be less than £20bn
Some early quotes suggested this. Almost nobody is suggesting sub-20Bn for a LHR option now. It all depends upon which source you believe, from £18.5Bn at the low end to £40Bn at the upper end. Maybe we should think in terms of the average of the forecasts?
Only around £6bn will be needed from the taxpayer
TfL says £20Bn. Whilst their forecast is the highest out there, £6Bn no longer appears credible.
what makes you think that the non UK owners of a private airport are interested in using money financed to expand their business in any other area?
I have never suggested this nor given you any reason to suppose anything of the sort ...
You seem to think Ferrovial & co will be saving the NHS if they are not expanding LHR
Very amusing, Mr Felixflyer. Now, can we stick to debating the points which have actually been made rather than your flights of fancy?
You do realise the airports are privately owned I take it.
Throughout this discussion I have afforded you dignity and respect in my answers to you. Please reciprocate accordingly, or you show yourself up.
The argument often used on here that LHR should not be upgraded as it doesn't work well now is like saying a new car park should not be built in the town centre as their is nowhere to park your car.
Is the new town centre car park forecast to cost somewhere between £20Bn and £40Bn?
The Heathrow bashers love to knock the place
There is a world of difference between calling out an absurd proposed price-tag for providing a one-third capacity upgrade and being a "Heathrow basher".