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Old 2nd Feb 2015, 03:31
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Leightman 957
 
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Argument bruhaha

Triskele: 'At 6:17 a.m. on Dec. 28, three minutes after air traffic control unsuccessfully tried to make contact and asked nearby aircraft to try to locate QZ8501, the A320 turned to the left and it began to climb from its altitude of 32,000 ft (9,750 meters)

Translation: 8501's fate was decided in a very short time.

Gretchenfrage: The question is why do such questions about laws are still unclear after all these years and why do we have so many recipes as to how to deal with such upsets in a bus when ....

IanW: There is no such thing as fault free software.

Mountain Bear, I don't know exactly what you intended by “Experience is not infinite”, but as a statement it points out that all that is known is not enough and never will be enough for the not-yet-encountered. So computers can at best perform no better than what has been discovered so far.

But, Mountain, you also wrote: “There is only one possible exception to that rule and that is...(omniscience)”. That's misleading and untrue, based on your earlier sentence. The total of experience learned to date does not come close to the totality of possiblities. The computer can no further than the programmers' understanding. A320 pilots' misunderstanding about the breadth of that knowledge gap is being demonstrated on this forum.

Confusion is evidenced on these pages about how AC systems are supposed to work, as noted by HeavyMetallist: “it's equally clear that very few of those supposed pilots have a a clue about how their aircraft are designed and engineered”.

This confusion is NOT attached to those who post but lack experience and knowledge (and who also get the sharp end of the stick from people who claim to know). Go ahead and disregard every poster who you think is NOT an A320 pilot, or who is not familiar with A320 systems or their land based or regulatory counterparts, if it makes you feel good. They don't count. What is really pertinent here are the A320 pilots (and their supervisor masters) who disagree. THAT's a problem.

The troubling argument is between A320 cognoscenti who think computer systems at present are adequate, and those who can cite or have experienced examples of why they believe computers have important shortcomings.
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