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Old 6th Jan 2015, 08:48
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Dr Johnny Walker & trouble in the archipelago.

Theorists vs realists:
Sorry Lefty nearly missed this -
You have lost me Sarcs with your reference to the Dr Walker paper. Are you saying that its symptomatic of the current state of the ATSB or that it will be relevant to the Air Asia investigation?
Not sure I'll be personally voicing an opinion on the Doc on here anytime soon but the first indications are not entirely promising - apparently the following image was attributable to Doc Johnny:

(my brain hurts just looking at that theoretical Doc masterpiece...) -

Please...please Miniscule bring back 'Reason' & Alan Stray (or his look-a-like)... And Miniscule while we are at it please pay attention to the excellent advice/response freely provided by AIPA in regards to ASRR recommendation 5...:

Recommendation 5
5. The Australian Government appoints an additional Australian Transport Safety Bureau Commissioner with aviation operational and safety management experience.

AIPA strongly agrees with this recommendation. However, despite the Government and the ASRR Panel rejecting the Senate Inquiry recommendation that the Chief Commissioner should have that experience and noting the multimodal role of the ATSB, our full support remains with the Senate recommendation.

AIPA rejects the Panelís view that aviation expertise provided by a part-time Commissioner is sufficient. Our view is that aviation is by far the most complex of the transport modes and the related operational expertise is more easily applied across the other modes.

AIPA also notes the Panelís view that the Pel-Air investigation and report were an aberration in terms of how the ATSB should be viewed. In light of the material presented to the Senate Inquiry, such a conclusion appears charitable at best. {Spot on it..}
Kharon:- "...It's bad enough that Dolan and McComic created the unsightly aberration, worse that they attempted to deny ownership of it; but to allow Dolan control of the investigation for a second time beggars belief. The absence of an Indonesian invitation says it all really..."

Totally agree "K" but after reading the following from the Canuck press it maybe a Godsent that we're not invited to the slugfest...: AirAsia Flight QZ8501: Indonesia's aviation safety practices under fire
Highlighting the depth of Indonesia's air safety problems, the transportation ministry announced harsh measures Monday against everyone who allowed AirAsia Flight 8501 to take off without proper permits ó including the suspension of the airport's operator and officials in the control tower.

The routing permits of all airlines flying in the country also will be examined to see if they are violating the rules, said Djoko Murjatmodjo, acting director general of air transportation.

"Who knows if other airlines are also doing the same thing," he said.

The crackdown comes as searchers continue to fight bad weather while combing the Java Sea for bodies and wreckage of the Airbus A320 that crashed Dec. 28, killing all 162 passengers and crew on board.

The plane was travelling between Surabaya, Indonesia's second-largest city, and Singapore on a Sunday. Officials have since said its permit for the popular route was only for Monday, Tuesday, Thursday and Saturday, and that AirAsia quietly switched three of those days. Officials in Singapore, however, have said the plane was authorized to fly on Sundays from its end.

Applications for specific routes take into account issues including air traffic rights and airport takeoff and landing slots.

While the airline is being investigated, Indonesia has banned all AirAsia flights between Surabaya and Singapore.

AirAsia Indonesia President Director Sunu Widyatmoko said by text Monday that the airline will co-operate with the government during the evaluation, but would not comment on the permit allegations until the process is complete.

Violation of the regulations would boost legal arguments for passengers' family members seeking compensation, said Alvin Lie, a former lawmaker and aviation analyst. But he added AirAsia would not be the only one to blame.

"The Surabaya-Singapore flights have been operating since October ... and the government didn't know," he said. "Where was the government's supervision?"

Murjatmodjo said key individuals who allowed the plane to fly without permits would be suspended while the investigation is pending.

The ministry also issued a directive Dec. 31 ordering all airlines to provide pilots with up-to-date weather reports before they take off, he said. Currently, it's up to the captain and co-pilot to research and evaluate flying conditions before departing. In other countries, carriers' flight operations departments perform that task for them.

He also planned to meet Monday with the Corruption Eradication Commission to discuss whether to investigate AirAsia's operations. Business in the country is commonly conducted using bribery, with payoffs often seen as the most efficient way to get things done.

After Indonesia deregulated its aviation industry in the 1990s, dozens of airlines emerged making air travel affordable for the first time for many in the world's fourth most populous nation. But accidents in recent years have raised urgent questions about the safety of Indonesia's booming airline sector, with experts saying poor maintenance, rule-bending, and a shortage of trained professionals are partly to blame.

AirAsia, which began operations in 2001 and quickly became one of the region's leaders in low-cost air travel, has not experienced any other crashes and is widely considered a benchmark for safety and professionalism.

It is not known what caused Flight 8501 to crash into the Java Sea 42 minutes into what was supposed to be a two-hour flight, though Indonesia's Meteorology, Climatology and Geophysics Agency says bad weather appears to have been a factor. Just before losing contact, the pilot told air traffic control that he was approaching threatening clouds, but was denied permission to climb to a higher altitude because of heavy air traffic. No distress signal was issued.
There is certainly no love lost between the political elite and the bureaucrats in the Indonesian archipelago...

I'll be back...
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