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Old 13th Dec 2014, 12:21
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Boudreaux Bob
 
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Plainly the Jury has its mind made up using far less than half the evidence.

No need to discuss it further.

Did the Report contain the DOJ Investigative Reports that resulted in there being no Criminal Actions undertaken against any CIA personnel and there being a Declaration by the President there would be none in the future?

How much harm did the North Vietnamese suffer due to the disclosure of their Torture and Murder? Remember the fate of the Defenders of Dien Bien Phu?

What actions did the British take in wake of that?

So why all this recent consternation over the CIA Report?

Are you as upset over the Human Rights record of say...Iran, China, North Korea?

Do you think any Air Crew or SpecOps troopers that get taken by ISIS are going to be given Tea and Sticky Buns?

Perhaps this is just a rough old World we live in and has been forever.

When we compare the treatment of Danny Pearl by KSM....and the subsequent treatment of KSM by the CIA, somehow I think KSM is the fortunate one.

One hacked off another's Head to perpetrate a Terror act and the the others handled him very roughly to counter a Terrorist Organization that has murdered Thousands of People.

Sorry, but the whole reaction to the Report, which is preposterous itself, just smacks of hypocrisy.

We at least should be honest with ourselves in this and ask just what is our motivation in having the position we do.

When you finally admit the Senate Investigation was poorly done, did not include all the facts, ignored logical and relevant avenues of investigation, and was put out by People who were directly involved in the Oversight of the Program and who had called for even more harsh methods....then perhaps you are worth listening to.

We had a discussion about the Drone Strikes and the Due Process requirements of American Law....and those who are so up in arms over this Report have no concerns about killing people by Drone Strikes despite in a couple of cases US Law protected a few of them. The outcry then was why should those few be protected because of their American Citizenship rather than showing any concern for the Law.

I fail to see how Murder is a lesser evil than Waterboarding where no one is killed.

If you want to argue morality then do so but be honest with yourself and others when you do. You cannot separate killing from torture no matter how you try.

You only fool yourself if you think that is possible.

This is a War we are in and there can be no doubt of that.

You were quite happy to Area Bomb whole cities during World War II but you get squeamish about a few hundred folks getting roughed up during interrogation?

Why are you not as outraged about the length of detention without Trial the Prisoners in Gitmo have endured? Is it the fact the UK has the same ability under your Terrorism Laws? Why no outrage at that?

Sorry....I just don't buy your arguments.
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