Tango
Posted November 26, 2014 at 3:17 pm |
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And as I have noted before, its a waste of time and I think the government of Australia (or anywhere else) is obligated to protect the treasury and use the money in the best interest of the people of said country
Frankly this is just grand standing. 100 million plus
on a crap shoot? You really have to be kidding me.
colossal waste of money that in the end will tell you nothing even if the wreckage is found (other than all the conspireacy theories are wrong, not that in turn does not get more conspiracy theories about how it was all covered up)
Yes the Malaysian lied through their teeth. to what ends not a clue, maybe they just are pathological liars. That does not mean that a pilot hijack is not a simple and plausible explanation .
US would kill 200 some people to protect a stupid drone system that is only good for low intensity conflict (which china would not be) shees, amazing. Not to mention its another bogus story. Bring on the Aliens and the probes
Simon Gunson
Posted November 26, 2014 at 3:26 pm |
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Giant Bird MH370 would have been discovered by now if they had not abandoned the search for debris spotted by prior to 27 March.
That was when Malaysia applied pressure to the JACC through the Joint Investigation Team (“JIT”) to abandon efforts to locate large floating debris and shift the search north.(NB ATSB Report 26 June pages 6-10)
Airline Operations Staff at Malaysian Airlines (MAS) recalculated the fuel based on an assumption that MH370 did not turn South at 6.792N, 95.901E, but kept flying further north towards Car Nicobar Island. Why they recalculated the turn point seems arbitrary, but in doing so they imposed a fuel constraint to exclude MH370 having reached the debris field.
The point I am making is that Malaysia have kept redirecting the search away from clues. That is why the search has been so expensive and fruitless.
Simon Gunson
Posted November 26, 2014 at 3:39 pm |
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Tango the first attempt by Malaysia to divert the search effort away from clues was four days after MH370 disappeared when news emerged of an aircraft sighted on fire by oil rig worker Mike McKay, when they spun an enormous lie that a pilot hijacked the plane through the Straits of Malacca and photo-shopped an image of an SSR radar and claimed it to be from a military Thales Raytheon GM400 based at Butterworth.
That in itself tells one something. If an aircraft was sighted on fire at 35,000ft then it immediately indicates there was a fire inside the cabin which self extinguished through decompression once it had flared through a melt hole.
The reason why is because a naked flame cannot survive at 35,000ft outside the aircraft, but could have emerged from a fire inside the cabin.
All the facts point to an electrical fire. Since 2010 there have been 17 cockpit fire/smoke incidents or in-flight electrical failures to Boeing 777 aircraft.
Statistically the odds were certain that someday an electrical fire would claim a Boeing 777 however the risk of unlimited civil liability both for MAS and Boeing from finding MH370 are so huge they would rather spend hundreds of millions of dollars in a great charade to falsely prove that MH370 can’t be found.
You need to wake up and smell the coffee Tango that this is just theatrics by the JACC who know perfectly well they are looking in the wrong place and wasting money.
Ben Sandilands
Posted November 26, 2014 at 4:04 pm |
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Simon,
The object sighted by the oil rig worker appears to have been recorded by the global fireball network which now tracks up to several dozen large bolides a day and is often able to provide orbital elements. This was one of the first databases checked out by the science community. You can work back through the potential matches for the claimed sighting by following the links on Space Weather.
The oil rig sighting unfortunately tells us stuff all. Incidentally fire doesn’t self extinguish in a decompressed airliner unless it is defying gravity and velocity and moving very slowly. You need to educate yourself on the strength of the slipstream and the consequences for fire risk. There are numerous technical papers on this but I’m not your librarian.
Simon Gunson
Posted November 26, 2014 at 4:15 pm |
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Ben Sandilands, the “JIT” team which urged the JACC to abandon searching for the large debris field east of Kerguelen islands includes MAS pilot Lim Jit Koon and senior civil aviation official Ahmad Nizar Zolfakar.
In the introduction to the ATSB Report dated 26 June 2014, Page.1, the ATSB states:
“On 17 March 2014, Australia took charge of the coordination of the search and rescue operation. Over the next 6 weeks from 18 March, an intensive aerial and surface search was conducted by assets from Australia, Malaysia, China, Japan, Korea, UK and the USA.
During this period, the Australian Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) and the ATSB jointly determined a search area strategy correlating information from a Joint Investigation Team (JIT) located in Malaysia and other government and academic sources.”
Then further into the same report at page 6 states:
“On 27 March (D20), the JIT advised they now had more confidence in the increased speeds provided by primary radar near Malaysia. This increased the aircraft fuel burn and the most probable track moved north to the S3 area. The JIT additionally had more confidence that a 7th arc was a fuel exhaustion point. Two new search areas designated S4 and S5 were defined.”
and later;
“On 1 April (D25) the JIT advised AMSA/ ATSB of further aircraft performance and path analysis starting at a distance further NW of Sumatra that had the effect of shifting the most probable area NE within S4 and into S5.”
The search for the southern debris field was in fact abandoned on 27 March ostensibly in relation to a storm however that storm was close inshore to Western Australia and had no effect on the search area itself and thus the storm was just a false pretext by the JACC to abandon the debris field.
Simon Gunson
Posted November 26, 2014 at 4:21 pm |
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Fire at 35,000ft lacks the stochiometric conditions to stay alight. You may have heard of a fire triangle in which you need heat and oxygen plus fuel. At 35,000ft the temperature drops to minus 53 degrees Celsius thus subtracting heat.
At 35,000ft the oxygen content drops too low to sustain a flame. Flames only exist in jet engines due to compression. Pilots are well aware that their APU generators can’t be relit or started above 22-24,000ft.
Any fire inside the cabin would self extinguish as soon as the heat had melted an escape path through the aluminium skin. The sighting by McKay tells us that he saw the flaring of a cabin fire from an aircraft which self extinguished.
Giant Bird
Posted November 26, 2014 at 4:51 pm |
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Simon,
Irrespective of what might of happened or should have happened it is time to stop throwing good money after bad. Australia really has no skin in the game, it was not our aircraft, we do not make any aircraft, we do not even have an international airline of any major size any more. Why should we care about this. If Malaysia is trying to cover up, then they win, so what do we care. If it is important to Tim Clark let the UAE find the plane.
Ben Sandilands
Posted November 26, 2014 at 4:58 pm |
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Simon,
Your recollection of the storm is bizarre and completely at odds with the live tv coverage of the sorties that were attempting a low level search in conjunction with various state naval vessels and passing freighters.
The search was not close to the Australia coastline, it took a long time to get there, and to the frustration of myself and a few colleagues, there were sightings of floating objects that could have included the pallets listed as carrying mangosteens.
In your presumably parallel universe, the 777 caught fire and crashed way to the SE of Vietnam while it replicated itself to fly west across the Malaysia peninsula. I’m with you as to the obviously compromised official narratives, but not ready to fill the dark spaces with some of the inventions or suppositions that have been made to date.