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Old 13th Nov 2014, 15:48
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mad_jock
 
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Yes we have the light aircraft goes the intial approach fix and starts the procedure. The CAT goes towards the hold and takes up the hold. When the light aircraft is on the ground the CAT starts the procedure.

What you suggest is in breech of procedural seperation rules.

Basically inside 15 miles circle to the IAF the lowest always has to go first in the procedure unless there is a direct arrival via an arc. This goes out to 20 miles if they are pointing at each other.

The traffic gets to the IAF if number one and looses the height in the out bound. Number two will get cleared down when number one reports beacon outbound unless the GA procedure conflicts with that level with certain wx conditions.

If B is already at MSA and at 15miles and is stupid enough to say they are vfr they are deemed seperated and aircraft A can be at there level and cross it. If they just ask for procedural service they have to be seperated as per that service.

The real screw up is when the clueless turn up on a basic service then you end up with one aircraft only getting traffic information and the other being seperated from it when it reports what its doing.

Then real bum clentcher is when two turn up on a basic service and there is only traffic info given. Then its not unkown for two planes to be on the procedure at the same time.


Nice as your story is, my only thought is thank the lord your not flying into these airports as you don't have a clue what you are doing in a procedural enviroment.

And speaking as an ex SEP instructor and CAT Captain to be perfectly honest I don't understand why if its a single in crap WX there is such a fuss to get us in first. Being told there is a light single inside 15 miles when we are at 40 is no great issue we just bring the speed back to 170 knts from 250knts and we are much better set up multi crew with de-icing kit than some poor sod in a SEP trying to get on the ground. Poor sod bouncing around in the hold possibly weeks since they last did a instrument approach. Where as we will have more than likely done 10-20 in the last 7 days. Get the poor bugger on the ground with minimal work load.

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