I appreciate your response, and apparently every response I give on here must be approved by a moderator. I asked my check pilot "what if I had just said I started the timer when I rolled level?" and he said that would have queried more questions... I attempted to use drk radial 042 and 16 dme from, but that just yeilded cradi which I was already pressing direct enter enter for situational awareness at that point... I guess my main question is how do you determine you are abeam a fix in a hold to start accurate timing?