S&L, sorry but I can't agree with you - I don't think the facts that the aircraft doesn't have a CofA, and doesn't comply with the civil definition of a motorglider are irrelevant. Also, the RAF and CAA may both be in the UK, but only the latter subscribes to JAA, not the former (and having worked closely alongside both, take it from me, they don't talk to each other much). Presented to CAA in those terms, particularly the weight issue, I don't think that they'll have any choice but to regard it as an SEP. People who are incorrectly logging the type as a G109b are shooting themselves in the foot - it is a derivative of the 109 with a different designation. You wouldn't log a Bulldog T1 as a Beagle Pup would you?
TMM - of course you can log it if you are flying the aircraft legitimately under military rules. What we're all disagreeing about is under what column in a civil logbook you can log it, not whether you can do so at-all which is a given. You only need a civil TMG rating to fly a civil TMG, not to log your experience flying a military aircraft however designated.
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