Its not just Penklis, we all did it in the good old days. It also had a safety benefit as if you were doing a long haul like to Honolulu having pax up kept you awake and interested. Also met some really interesting people - the highlight was meeting Group Captain Cheshire - I didnt know whether to fall on my knees or just bow. He was really good to talk to and sat up for the landing. His wife Sue Ryder also came up. Flight Engineer 'Did you have anything to do with aviation?' Sue 'Did a parachute jump once into occupied France' Cant beat that.