Australopithecus has nailed it, post 5046. Clifford and his anti union agenda has been the driving force behind all of this. If Joyce had any credibility, he would be accepting at least a 50% pay cut, but he never will, too busy slashing employees that run rings around him in ability and integrity. The consolation is that these people will never really enjoy the fruits of there dodgy attempts. To loyal Qantas employees, have faith that the future will be better for you somewhere, out of the poisonous world that today's corporate life is leading us.You will be able to stand tall and look straight into that mirror.