IO540-C4D5D what you have said is very true. Must admit I would have never flown the PA38 if I had not gone to Inverness. I was quite anxious about them because of the stories I heard. Thankfully I was taught how nice they were and have a love of them now. Their only disadvantage is that they only have 2 seats. Having spent some time on them I went back to the PA28 at my south coast school and finally got solo on that. I have also tried the C172 but diddnt get on too well because of the electric flaps. Once I have more confidence and ability I will give the C172 another go. I have decided I will mainly stick to the PA28 but will fly a PA38 when ever I can as its both cheaper and more fun. I am taking the plunge soon and going to have a go at spinning the PA38.