its the definition of what's counted as climb and what's counted as approach which causes the controversy.
MSA on the way up and on the way down works for IFR for me but I am not upset if people don't. And then mention it after the 1st stage of flap.
Its the ppl side of things which the big debates start some say as soon as they join the circuit, others its acceptable to not have it on the down wind etc etc.