Lavdump. .. .Still clinging on by the toe nails! Currently working 3 months notice with a redundancy date of 7th May.............Still don't think I will be out of a job on that day, still some hope that things will change. Anyway, don't want to hijack the thread so I'll be off now, probably just as well as I think Mrs PP is (finally) going into labour!!!!!. .. .Oh, just to put something relevant into this post, there is a certain train of thought that during a downturn in the market is the best time to train........just don't sign up to get it all done in 12 months, take your time and keep earning in the meantime. If the realistic view is 3-4 years for 200hr pilots to be employed again in any sort of large numbers then plan to have 1000-1500 hrs by then (yeah I know the next question! Been done to death, use the search facility). Anyhow, 4 minutes apart so time to go pack the bag (we're old sweats at this now so there's no panic! PANIC, who said PANIC!. .. .PP