Well Sunfish, you will just have to learn what a pinch of salt is and realise that managers (particularly in Australia) whinge a lot. They also tend to forget about government grants about thirty seconds after the last dollar of said grant is spent. I'm afraid the unpalatable truth is that the government has poured millions and millions into the australian industry without much to show for it. And of course nobody ever does them managers a good turn ...Did you get told the story about the Airvan seats costing zillions to develop whereas in actual fact the FAA tested the gippy seats in the FAA laboratory in Oklahoma City for nothing? Yes, the certificating authorities can be pains, and CASA does not have the correct charter in terms of a manufacturing industry, but one FAA office had the motto "hound em pound em ground em we're not happy till you're not happy" and if you really want to see some fireworks just go to any FAA cert office and watch the set to between the ACO and the MIDO. The FAA type certificates for Gippy products were handled pretty well, but still took appreciable time and effort. Nobody had a discussion with Henry ... never. You just sat there and had your ears chewed off ... in a totally charming way of course