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Old 24th Jul 2014, 23:07
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swh

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Originally Posted by the redneck that does not stop
If you want to believe an Airbus sales pitch over the perfectly reasonable assumption that larger fans and bigger wings weigh more, then that's your prerogative.
Tom Williams is a engineer and the senior manager in charge of production at Airbus, not sales. He has been responsible for the A350 and A320neo production. He has a lot of credibility as he has been able to deliver his projects.

Originally Posted by the redneck that does not stop
Notice how, according to you, they have opted to take the 235T version thus far.
Since the start of 2012 all A330s delivered to CX were capable of 235t. The CX fleet has 9 different MTOWs, and KA an additional one at 205t.

Originally Posted by the redneck that does not stop
You think CX wants a reengined, 25 year old plane carrying fewer pax, less cargo, and weighing ~10T more than the alternative?
Well you are very good at making things up, for example the A330-200 lifts 11,000 lb more payload than the 787-8.

Originally Posted by the redneck that does not stop
A330NEO is a knee jerk relation to a failed A350 strategy (A358 is dead)
That is exactly what I would expect from the Seattle Times or Chicago Tribune. Give the subscribers what they want to hear.

Originally Posted by the redneck that does not stop
Why else would Airbus announce the NEO now in 2014 when this is essentially an A350M1 offering circa 2006?
Airbus did not need to, it had no competition in the market. They outsold and out delivered the 787 in the past 6 years while Boeing failed to deliver the 787. The 787-9 was 4 years late to Air New Zealand.

The same could be said for Boeing with the 777X. The engine technology has been around to provide more efficiency, they did not need to invest more money into the 777 program until the A350-1000 came along.

Boeing and Airbus are large businesses. They are out to make money, not to make the most efficient aircraft. Making efficient aircraft requires a lot of investment with a lot of risk. Incremental investment on a proven design as we have seen on the 747-8, A320neo, 737MAX, 777X, and A330neo is all about bang for buck. Airbus should be able to recover all of their investment in the A330neo in 18 months of production (2 billion), meanwhile Boeing is saying it will take 1100 aircraft to recover their 787 investment.

Originally Posted by the redneck that does not stop
"High 70s, low 80s." What!?! Are we shopping on a used car lot?
That is more than what was reported in the SCMP as what CX paid. Engines and APUs are often "power by the hour", and the interior is known as "Buyer Furnished Equipment".
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