MartinCh, its not Kiwis/ Australian's or other like nationals I'm referring to , {In fact I have the right to work in both of these countries by dint of marriage and military service, and in the past have in fact worked down under , another Winter like the last one I may just think about it again!} Its the likes of Scum Wing and some rotary wing operators who have abused the TFW program, Giles Hudingcourt {spelling?} and others have this well documented, The free exchange of labour between nations of roughly equal social/financial standards is not the problem here, or in fact seasonal exchanges of flight crews for that matter, but the actions of some operators are clearly attempts to abuse the FWP to import cheap labour or avoid training costs, this is what I'm referring to.