Nothing sad about it Jaba. Blokes like JH and my old man left us great memories and experiences, which we can all reminisce about, and enjoy. I celebrate their lives, mentorship, and the odd cuff up the side of the head! I doubt anybody will ever think the same of me, and i dont wish for it.... I respect them for their sponsorship. Another name from the past....Des O'Driscoll, anybody, Nah, I'll start a new thread!