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Old 13th Jun 2014, 09:33
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CWO Geoff
 
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Dick...
It is very likely if the Willy ATC had the flight details in advance he would have given a clearance before the pilot decided he could wait no longer as he was about to penetrate the " never go or you'll be shot " military airspace invisible line.
That's a way over the top remark and was not what actually occurred!
To say that WLM didn't have flight details and caused the PIC to hold is, in my experience, another 'long bow being drawn', or putting it much more plainly, utter BS! It only takes a couple of seconds to manually make out a strip and only a few more to give some sort of clearance response. There was no delay there!

As 'evil roy' said
it was clearance through S1 and SYD APP airspace that was refused.
- that seems to be the point that you have not yet been able to grasp.

I haven't yet seen any mention of airspace releases that night. Just who had what airspace? Exactly where was the PIC "about to penetrate the 'never go or you'll be shot' military airspace invisible line"? On the TRE - WLM track, or the TRE - CRV track? Or the TRE - SGT track? From what I could see of the enclosures on the BASI file, the aircraft was tracking well NORTH of his planned route (TRE-CRV) when FIS5 offered the amended route over WLM.
Don't forget, the WLM control zone was GL-A050 radius 12nm. The areas in question that MDX planned to fly around were in some cases GL up to FL125. Are we referring specifically to R582A (GL to FL125) - who had control of R582A at the time that all this was going on? If that airspace was released to FIS5, it would have been OCTA, and above FL125 to Sector 1.
...the pilot decided he could wait no longer ...
Pure speculation! What was he supposedly waiting for and what actions was he taking (orbiting, holding?) whilst he was supposedly waiting?

I note that you didn't manage (and I'm sure that you must have tried so hard) to get Channel 7 to give you another couple of minutes TV time in which you could have given that public apology for your liblellious remarks that started this whole thread off. What a shame - you've lost a lot of your supporters over this one Dick.
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