Being against PFI is an entirely valid point of view, wanderoo. Why does it have to be backed up with a pragmatic reason (which I strongly agree with) that the Govt is "rubbish at setting contractual terms?" Would your principles change if it WASN'T rubbish at this? What if we collectively left the rant switch firmly ON and demanded HMG hire clued-up professionals from the private sector to do the negotiating.... rather than let the deals be signed by any old duffer who happens to have been there a while -then hand him a knighthood when it falls flat?