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point taken mate
understand what you say but part of my point was that prospect seem to do these things without asking the troops what they really think
from our point of view it 'seemed' you always got what you wanted by weight of numbers
for myself i don't like early starts but like night shifts
strange to most i would imagine
but the whole point is that prospect should as much as poss echo your views so don't get stitched
thanx for the reply with no flames by the way
regrds maine