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Old 18th May 2014, 23:40
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guys, I got lost in the melee`

Remember the good old days when you wuz littul and you used to float in the basic trainer and it sometimes sank like a brick t house suddenly - well remember when you were taught to apply a little power just to cushion the sink and remember when it, the aeroplane, landed beautiful like, on the runway and all the old geezers who had a million hours flying said "that was a proper text book landing that was"?


Remember that? - well, forgetting for a moment this is a rather more high-tech baby than the one first basic trainer you started off in, namely this the A320 Airbus -


At the end of the day, although I am Magenta-ised because it feels cool to be called a child of the magenta, or child of anything for that matter being predominantly a dinosaur


Is not, at the end of all discussion, the A320, an aeroplane and therefore does it not fly as such? This being the case, I put to you learned men and girlies of pprune, should not the said aircraft be therefore flown like an aircraft - which it indeed is and therefore would it not respond, I ask you, respond, to the inputs of the pilot at this juncture in his/her life i.e., during the Landing.


therefore - if it works in the basic trainer by "putting on a little power if it sinks a bit after a slight balloon" or forget the balloon - just look at the sink, caused by whatever.


Are we not merely cushioning to a perfect touchdown by adding a little power then? Hmmm? (if you have got the runway for it)


and look at the comment on failing to do so with increasing alpha and ever grazing tail.


No one said apply enough power to go floating down the runway and into the Long Term car park at the end.


Versus


Having retarded - would adding a little bit of power be nigh on impossible - why? Well, the spool up time for a start (or maybe that amount of thrust would just about do it) If not you`re going to hit the runway anyway.


Secondly - will not applying power combined with (now approaching VLS na, na, na na na) cause a TOGA - . . .


just thought a bit of power might be nice - you don`t need a lot.


While we are here - what was the previous discussion many moons ago about - if you are on the ILS in Autoland and you applied TOGA you would continue the descent - in TOGA, this seeming rather an alarming result - I just wondered if anyone could clarify as it would take ages to have to walk to the terminal from the runway.


BTW nit-picker - I agree with everything you wrote - its flying.


Microburst2002 - you are right too. Nitpicker is after the sink and you are before it - but you would both say the same thing.


One is preventing which is ideal but you both prevent for a living and the other is using tactics - fly-ing to grease the baby onto the tarmac - which is not always what the say should be done with an A320 but rather firmer, without holding off with ever increasing angle.


I love the A320 and cannot imagine ever landing it other than perfectly - simply because it is an ace babe at landing - so was the L1011-1 if you got it right if you tried to land it like today`s A320 you would bury the mains into the tarmac. See the difference - keep it off V let it on - on that sea-shell, I notice most of the A330 pilots grease it on, like some tantric experience - a different story to the A320, firmer.


nitpicker - love your idea of a good brekky whilst waiting for the thunderstorm, and you are getting paid for it too - kewel!

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