JW, I'm not sure if your post is referring to my preceding one. Just in case it is, I don't want to get into a debate over standards in individual companies, because that too can be misleading - there are good and bad everywhere, and the reasons for the bad vary; they could be bad because of a lack of aptitude, holes in their training or because they are too scared of management to do what is right and instead just do what they're told. And while I don't think EZY or RYR pilots as a whole are bad, I don't think they can be singled out as the epitome of flying either - some are very good indeed, and other not so much. Just like everywhere else, they have to be judged individually, not collectively. Just because a pilot might fly for a company with a bad name, it doesn't follow that the pilot must be bad too.