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Old 26th April 2003 | 00:12
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Arkady
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Leaving aside the content of the proposals for a moment, I believe that the section should be congratulated on the manner in which this exersise has been conducted. All the central points under discussion were highlighted to the membership months ago and comments invited. The section says that its objectives were based on consultation with the members and in this instance they have every right to believe so. It has made an admirable effort to pass on the reasons for its final recommendations whether or not you agree with them.

DtyCln

Management can bring in as many early spinners and write a sub roster for as many Morning Early shifts as they wish. The demand exists at 0630 and the National Working Practices Agreement allows it. Simply saying that we don't want to work 30 minutes earlier won't stop it.

The two 2300 stays are south bank only and they are needed. The chances of working one of these on the last day of the cycle is off set by the reduction in slip days leaving you with only three days off instead of four.

You make a valid point about the reduction in ATCO1 posts meaning a reduction in promotion prospects but the suggestion to bandbox LAS positions came from the membership not Management or the Union. This proposal was put to all the membership some time ago and I can only assume that no serious objections were raised or the negotiating team would never have put it on the table.

The 0800 start D2 with the minimum off time of 12 hours is a straight trade off for less slip days, therefore more four days off and more roster predictability.

Part of the agreement is for AVAAs to be able to be rostered for any eight hour period from 0600 to 2300 so it makes complete sense that the ORO has a tool that will roster them. (I'd be amazed if it worked though)

Bex

I don't think our local managers are so far up there own a***s to use the "going to the wall" argument in a local agreement and expect to be taken seriously but what you say is quite true and will be very relevent next year when the National WPP is to be negotiated.

Loki

If you don't think your Union is representing you join the section as a rep. If, after a year you are still unhappy, by all means resign but who will represent your views then, badly or otherwise?

I am not a manager or a Union Rep and I will have to work D7s if they come in. To go all the way back to Zygotes original post, whatever you may think of the final proposals, the manner in which the section arrived at and communicated them to the membership can only be commended.
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