I could not agree more about the 5000 job number. With every passing day, I am more and more convinced that it was a huge bluff, that Tony Abbott called. And now Joyce has no idea where to turn. I certainly don't think he has any real, constructive ideas about fixing the airline and it's problems. Trouble is, I think most of the so called problems, have been caused by Joyce and his mates in the first place. And this guy gets how much a year?