Of course Clifford is going to back Joyce, where else can he go. He can recommend the board sack Joyce, listing the reasons why, but then it comes back to the problem of the obvious fact that Clifford was on board with all the decisions, and this will be picked up but the media in one second. He has no choice but to stick with Joyce, at $700.000 a year he is going to sit tight for as long as he can. They will have been advised by their spin doctors, to keep tight, as the turbulence swirls around them, but eventually the press and public will tire of the whole sad mess, and accept what many now consider inevitable, either the closing of the whole box and dice, known as Qantas, and Jetstar will fly on, or become part Roo part Panda, or even worse, our girls seen in those hint at Muslim head gear. Its almost time to do a "Delta" let the staff take over the airline, surely to God within that 30,000 there is someone with brains, nous, loyalty, ability to see ahead, and the ability to take the staff along with them, into the future, picking up paying routes, pis3ing off anyone with "attitude" they have no place in the new company, only dedicated service, safety, and pride in their business, is acceptable. A dream, of course, but then again, QF was founded on a dream.