Joyce needs to push much harder. The sad thing is workers feel they should have a say over the capital. QF and all businesses should be able to pay as low as the market dictates and get rid of workers at any moment to maximize the efficiency of capital. Workers will never understand risk if they are not forced to face it like the holders of capital. A sleek and powering airline offers those that survive any cull a better life going forward. There is no security in failure.