Mr 'Roota- Back in those days everyone thought that NZ was an economic powerhouse and how wrong were we about that! Besides everyone in Oz knew you couldn't trust Keating and Bereton to keep their word in just the same way you can't expect to come off a winner in a deal with Murdoch, but apparantly AirNZ management thought they could. Which comes back to my original assertion that the management of AirNZ(not the staff) were, is and always will be incompetent. As for being an "Ansett whinger" well its probably something we learnt from AirNZ!