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Old 29th Dec 2013, 19:38
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Well let's do the numbers shall we.

In Sept 05/06 your figures give JAL 90 flights at approx 72% load. I don't know what JAL were using on the route in 05/06 but let's go with a 747 with 400 capacity.

90 x 0.72 x 400 = 25,920

Let's take your highest later JAL load figure fr 2013 that you provided and use 88%.

JAL now have 30 flights, and let's go with 300 seat 777s.

So we get

30 x 0.88 x 300 = 7,920

Um, wait a minute. Didn't you say a "substantial number" of QF customers had moved over to JAL?

JAL who are operating 1/3 of the number of flights?

And showing about 18,000 *LESS* passengers...

Good thing that "substantial number" of Jetstar passengers moved over to JAL, they'd be flying just about empty if that hadn't happened!

And let's look back at the previous numbers. QF mainline were moving just over 9,000 passengers. Quick mental arithmetic tells me that QF mainline are moving 9,072 - 7,920 = 1,152 MORE passengers than JAL.

Are you sure that "JAL has been turned from the market loser to the market leader." as per your post #1428? I note that you have changes your position in Post #1486 to "That is why they [JAL] are now leading Qantas and Jetstar for load factors on those sectors." which is a totally different thing to being market leader.

Personally I'd say QF with 9K passengers is ahead of JAL with 8K, and QF group with a combined total of about 26.5K is streets ahead of JAL's 8K.

Overall the QF total : JAL ratio has moved from 52K:26K to 26K: 8K

Or to do the maths the ratio has gone from 2:1 in 05/06 to 3.25:1 now yet somehow you think JAL (the 1) is the market leader...

Methinks your argument is somewhat flawed mate.

Note: Edit to change format to avoid a smiley getting dropped in to ratio numbers
Reading that made my head hurt but it did remind me of a favourite saying attributed to Winston Churchill; There's Lies, Damned Lies and Statistics.
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