I've had experience flying the Van Nuys Nine departure out of KBUR in X-Plane. It is quite the handful and you have to be especially meticulous in reading those cross radials and DME distances otherwise you will miss those very important turns!! Speaking of turns, the very first turn after overflying the Van Nuys VOR for 4 dme involving a turn onto a radial of 323 from the LAX VOR until 24 DME which identifies the Twine intersection, the depending upon your route its either a segment to the AVE VOR, or a turn on a radial of 046 from the Ventura VOR. At this point, your flying to the Lange Intersection which is identified by crossing a radial of 342 from the LAX VOR, then it's a left turn to a bearing of 038 from the Palmdale VOR crossing Slapp (D17 Palmdale) then Boget (D12 Palmdale). After overflying the Palmdale VOR it's rather straightforward from then on flying to the Dagget VOR. But there is one complicated Star that I flew on this same day called the ZIGGY FOUR into KONT! Now that is an arrival; a rather sloppy one at that, but that is just my humble opinion. Does anybody have some suggestions for any particularly difficult instrument procedures? I want to give them a try.

PS:I'd prefer /A procedures, you know, the old fashioned way of doing things. No RNAV!!