Grob - If I shoot someone in self defense in NJ with a weapon which I have no permit to carry, I'm alive, but in big legal trouble. It is all but impossible to get that permit unless you are a guard, or that sort of thing.
"Commit a crime with a gun, and get 5 years" is the rule.
Other states are different. I have sons in VA and UT where carrying a gun is considered very normal. The crime rates are highest in the states which do NOT allow citizens to carry arms, and LOWEST in states that do. This logic seems to escape many lawmakers.
Rumsfleld and Wolfowitz said our troops would be met with thankful people throwing garlands of flowers at them.
Ed, unless you can keep to topic I will start deleting all your posts. You have an acute problem sticking to the topic you start and end up increasing my and my mods workload every time you stray. I have deleted the subsequent replies from muppets who are unable to resist straying from topic after your little diversions. 