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Old 30th Nov 2013, 00:20
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Ascend Charlie
 
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Slow and Low, a bit tetchy there, sport.

Sir, this stinks of sour grapes and unsubstantiated hearsay, RAAF and AAAVN (should) try to manage crew endurance, and other issues, internally, plus authorising officers should have the maturity to veto any flights which put the crew/pax in danger after analysis of ALL the facts
Sour grapes? Hardly. Unsubstantiated hearsay??? Horsefeathers. I was there at the time, 1968-1982, at Rocky in the motel one year, the tent the next year, and luckily at 2FTS instructing the following year when they were in the field.

The Adelaide accident, the flights were authorised by the CO who was the captain of the crash aircraft. Yes he had maturity, being a Vietnam era pilot and returned for his umpteenth tour. But this was a new situation, they had little opportunity to sleep during the day in a noisy army camp, and then flew VFR at night and simply forgot what the briefed approach back to the camp was - the other aircraft in the formation stayed up, and wondered what the heck N0. 1 was descending early for. But he's the boss, so nobody is game to question him on the radio, and SPLAT-BOOM oh jeez, we should have said something.

A lot of thinking took place AFTER this incident, which has probably led to the procedures in place now.
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