As Im not familiar with DTV what routes does it offer?.
Perhaps you could look at the DTV website via Google ?
How frequent is the KLM operation?
Perhaps you could look at the KLM website ?
Only if they only have KLM and a route to Aberdeen then those figures cant be that diabloical.
An airport having just 2 routes is diabolical - makes an airport utterly dependent on just 2 customers.
Going by the posts about how bad it is, It seems that two airlines using one Tiny prop and a small Ageing jet Bring in almost 100 000 passenger's a month.
Could I refer you to the CAA website to look at the stats ? The Amsterdam route brings in 100,000 *per year*. The Aberdeen route brings in 30,000 *per year*. Combined they bring in 130,000 passengers per *year* or about 10,800 per month - about a tenth of what you are suggesting.
Has there been an official reason for binning holiday flights , beyond the probable thinking that they are only any good seasonal and with the downturn they've had , A bucket and spade route isnt going to pull in the numbers?.
Have you been reading this thread properly ? Thomson made clear that the airline had been told to p*ss off by the airport.
Does anyone have a link to the masterplan please?.
Perhaps you could visit the DTV website or look at Google ?
Also based on all this. KLM seem to be onto a good thing,
An airline flying from an airport to their main hub - isn't that what network airlines are meant to do ?
What about Someone Like SAS to Copenhagen .
SAS fly from Newcastle to Copenhagen and soon Humberside. Do you really think there's demand from DTV as well ?
Airfrance City jet Avros to Paris and LCY.
Cityjet are losing tons of money right now - I think they lost over 100 million euros last year. Air France is desperate to sell Cityjet to anyone with a bit of cash. Cityjet have been cutting routes - expanding is not on their agenda.
Why on earth would BA want to use a precious Heathrow slot on DTV when it can be used on a flight to the USA with lots of high spending premium class customers instead ? Gatwick cannot even support a Manchester route, never mind DTV.
Bmi seem like one to aim for
Bmi (before being taken over by BA) used to fly to DTV. They stopped because they realised the value of Heathrow slots compared to the ticket sales at DTV. Bmi regional are in the middle of cutbacks right now, not growth.
Perhaps theres something to be said for a new better terminal.
A nice new terminal costs a ton of money. If Peel aren't paying, who will pay ?
And like Flybe said going bacl to its routes and original plan to serve regional airport to regional.
Flybe are closing their Newcastle base along with 5 other bases and making an additional 500 staff redundant. Opening new bases is not part of their plan right now.
Scotland to England is so limited.
Really ? There are a ton of flights from London, southern England, the Midlands, East Anglia and Manchester to Scotland. Is it possible that with a very fast train line along England's east coast to Edinburgh that there just isn't the need for flights between DTV (or Doncaster) to southern Scotland ?
Inverness isnt Covered
Inverness is a modest city in the middle of a very empty and rural area. Inverness' metropolitan area has just 60,000 people. Low density of population doesn't encourage air routes. Flybe are closing their Inverness base.
Maybe Flybe might see Dtv as an opertunity to screw a fantastic deal out of.
If the customers won't pay for Flybe at Newcastle, then there certainly isn't enough money at DTV
Perhaps compete on The Ams slots.
DTV-AMS works only because of people connecting to other places on KLM's network. Easyjet and KLM also both fly Newcastle-Amsterdam. Flybe operating DTV-AMS in competition with KLM would be commercial suicide
And daft as this may sound but teeside with all its industy might a route to Sumburgh/Scatsa aimed at oilworkers etc.
There is already a route from DTV to Aberdeen aimed at oil workers. Once at Aberdeen, there are onward connections to Sumburgh and Scatsta. Remember that Sumburgh and Scatsta are still pretty small airports.
Ive done that route from Lba Via Abz and its a pain. Perhaps An E170 into Sumburgh direct
Eastern can't make an E170 work to Aberdeen. Why would it work to Shetland ?
Something nobody does now might work.
We're at the end game of airline consolidation. The time for off beat ideas and experiments was over 10 years ago.
How about Stavanger. Belfast and Glasgow.
Eastern operate Newcastle-Stavanger. Easyjet and Flybe both operate Newcastle-Belfast. Flybe are shrinking Newcastle, and Easyjet already have chosen Newcatle as their base in the North East. How long does it take by train from Darlington to Glasgow ?
Ps if Klm does pull out and I dont wish that on them. But Dsa in an email indicated they was working on a hub route imminently.
Would they go there?. Or increase HUY to a 737 and more rotations.
The nearest airports to DTV are Newcastle and as a 2nd best, Leeds. KLM already fly to both Newcastle and Leeds, so are likely to grow their service at those 2 airports. Humberside as 3rd best might get a tiny crumb of extra service, but the increased availability will be overwhelmingly Newcastle and Leeds. If Doncaster gets a hub route, it will not be because of events at DTV
I hope Dtv succeeds after all we are talking about real peoples livelyhoods and job losses.
If anyone working at DTV doesn't already expect job losses, they're living in a rather naive world.
So perhaps we can try move this thread away from doom and gloom and back toward Ideas and so on to improve it. Perhaps even take them To Dtv Management.
Look up FoDTVA on the web - bunch of people who are given the odd bit of face time by airport management in the hope that Peel will be seen a listening to the community and supporters of the airport.
Otherwise it seems like a self forfulling prophecy.
Agree with you