@ Zondaracer and VT-ASM, can you describe if these were P2F as well or are they trained in 'your' category' ?
UPS Crash A306
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BritAir CRJ7
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ANA A320 Tailstrike on G/A
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Air France A330 hard landing
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Emirates Tailstrike and RWY overrun on Take Off
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Air France A330 crash over the Atlantic
All mostly human errors I see.... doesn't really only hurt the 'P2F' guys, any more? Guess your not that immortal really Zondaracer or VT-ASM....
That said, most guys in Lion got paid for the flying and only did the Typerating course before, same same as Ryan or Easyjet or Volotea etc.
Not taking away that the Bali incident was with a hardcore P2F guy (paying the Indian agent a fee to work every month during his employment) but his captain was not....
So...now to the point.. Lion Air pilots are from different make/build/flight school backgrounds... (WOW!) some in Lion Air will never move on, not pass a screening ever, stay in Indonesia and be a F.O.
Others did pass screenings, did new Typeratings, did well in groundschool and moved into other airlines :
- Turkish Airlines , about 40-50 guys joined (or are joining) THY in the past 8 months
- Scoot has 10+ guys
- Qatar has a fair share (15+) of Ex-Lion guys as F.O. 777 or F.O. A320 operating
- Hong Kong Airlines / Hong Kong Express has about 10+
- FlyDubai has 10+ on 737
- Jet2.com has 10+ on 737
- British Airways 6+ on Widebody second officers mostly
- Primera Air 3+ on the 737
- Oman Air 3+ on 737
- ArkeFly has 8+ on the 767 and 737
- Etihad 4+ on multiple widebody's
- Norwegian has 10+ on the 737's
- Emirates is having Lion Air guys
- Cathay Pacific 2+ as S.O.
- Air Baltic 4+
- Ethiopian 2+
- Garuda had 10+ guys, but had to lay-off/fire expats two years ago.
- Insel Air
.......etc....etc....
I you can fly you can make it... if you can't you get picked out and get stuck. P2F or not...