Still being a wannabe I can only speak for the chemical/oil industry but all of the negative comments in this thread could easily be said of my current industry. Im sure many others could say the same about their jobs as well.. .. .I hate my current job AND im getting scr**ed by management. If all goes well and take the controls of a large aluminium tube i'll probably still be getting the same treatment but i'll be doing a job that i love!. .. .CBK