It is not often I agree with Narrow Runway, but I do on this occasion. It's a bit like getting people to agree not to feed their children for a greater cause that may not be totally apparent to them at the time. It is simply not going to happen. The harsh reality is at the other end of the scale - if every airline in the world announced that no pilot would be paid a single penny for the first 5 years of their employment, there would still be a queue round the block and into the next street of willing young people waiting to take up the offer. That is where the problem lies - not with the employers.